Before Tegan and Sara sat down to make Crybaby, they had to navigate a series of breakups—with their label, their management, and (almost) with each other. “This is our breakup record,” says Sara Quin, “but we're not going to break up. We’re siblings. We can’t.” In the turmoil that followed, Tegan and Sara rebuilt their professional team, repaired their relationship, and completely reinvented their songwriting process for Crybaby, one of their most exciting releases yet. In this episode, Tegan and Sara talk about tenderness, tantrums, and the delight of destroying everything so you can make it all over again. To close the episode, Hanif guides us through a selection of breakup songs. Music In This Week’s Episode: This Ain’t Going Well-Tegan and Sara Evergreen-Omar Apollo Cherry Blossom-Pom Pom Squad Self Fulfilling Prophecy-Pretty Sick We Can’t Be Friends-Deborah Cox, R.L. Happy After-Algebra How Long Do I Have To Wait For You?-Sharon Jones & The Dap-Kings Bad Friend-Rina Sawayama